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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/167582642" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#167582642">(Jun 07 2019 at 14:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>PS, <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span>, <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="126931">@centril</span> had some thoughts about maintenance/triage they was relating to me yesterday. TL;DR was whether we should consider doing things like beta-backports another way</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/167582737" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#167582737">(Jun 07 2019 at 14:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yea; talking through beta-nominations seems to be taking a lot of time atm</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/167582762" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#167582762">(Jun 07 2019 at 14:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>maybe it would be better to do things more async with a yay/nay process on the issues?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/167582818" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#167582818">(Jun 07 2019 at 14:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>Or at least you could <em>start</em> with asking folks async before the meetings on the PR and then they can leave "votes" and then you can consider that on the meeting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/167582943" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#167582943">(Jun 07 2019 at 14:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>in principle I'm in favor of doing more things async</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/167582958" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#167582958">(Jun 07 2019 at 14:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>Another thing you could try to gain in meeting time efficiency re. ICEs is that you could empower the release team triage process to label things with P-medium for more obvious things</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/167582972" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#167582972">(Jun 07 2019 at 14:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>but sometimes I do get the idea that there is a kind of group-mind that can emerge</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/167582978" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#167582978">(Jun 07 2019 at 14:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>especially with things like evaluating backports</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/167582992" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#167582992">(Jun 07 2019 at 14:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>where a bunch of people are in favor, but then someone brings up a point, and it causes a shift in mindset</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/167583043" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#167583043">(Jun 07 2019 at 14:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>of course this can happen with <em>any</em> decision making process, including a number that the project is already doing asynchronously</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/167583061" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#167583061">(Jun 07 2019 at 14:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>right</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/167583082" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#167583082">(Jun 07 2019 at 14:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>(I also want to try to ensure there is a fair amount of social pressure <em>against</em> approving backports...)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/167583145" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#167583145">(Jun 07 2019 at 14:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>regarding ICE's, I do think we need to put together some guidelines that would allow others, like the release team, to do more automatic labelling</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/167583170" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#167583170">(Jun 07 2019 at 14:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>things like "if you're confident that this only arises under a feature-gated thing, then its P-medium"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/167583223" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#167583223">(Jun 07 2019 at 14:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>but we should probably collectively discuss those rules</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/167583241" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#167583241">(Jun 07 2019 at 14:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yea that sgtm</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/167583261" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#167583261">(Jun 07 2019 at 14:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>how do you want to approach that discussion?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/167583478" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#167583478">(Jun 07 2019 at 14:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>i don't know yet</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/167583512" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#167583512">(Jun 07 2019 at 14:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>it probably would make sense to just fold it into the <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202019.2E06.2E07/near/167581349" title="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202019.2E06.2E07/near/167581349">design meeting planned for June 28th</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/167583634" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#167583634">(Jun 07 2019 at 14:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>In that case we should involve the release team members also I think</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/167583635" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#167583635">(Jun 07 2019 at 14:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>cc <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116122">@simulacrum</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/167583666" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#167583666">(Jun 07 2019 at 14:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>I can't make the 28th personally but in principle, yes, I agree</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/167583689" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#167583689">(Jun 07 2019 at 14:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>we can bring it up at next meeting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/167583697" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#167583697">(Jun 07 2019 at 14:53)</a>:</h4>
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<p>in principle I'm in favor of doing more things async</p>
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<p>my concern is that we need to have some set apart time</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/167583704" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#167583704">(Jun 07 2019 at 14:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>(if compiler team would be interested)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/167583759" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#167583759">(Jun 07 2019 at 14:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>basically I think async works great until people get overloaded :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/167583765" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#167583765">(Jun 07 2019 at 14:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>and..we are overloaded...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/167583771" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#167583771">(Jun 07 2019 at 14:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>(not everyone, though)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/167583797" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#167583797">(Jun 07 2019 at 14:54)</a>:</h4>
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<p>regarding ICE's, I do think we need to put together some guidelines that would allow others, like the release team, to do more automatic labelling</p>
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<p>this seems very good tho</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/167583808" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#167583808">(Jun 07 2019 at 14:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>I mean I think just in general forming guidelines <em>even just for ourselves</em> is super useful</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/167583863" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#167583863">(Jun 07 2019 at 14:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>we have some kind of "heuristics" we apply but I don't think we've ever written them down (similar to the one you mentioned, i.e., does it affect stable code, etc). Similarly, we seem to value preventing <em>new</em> regressions higher than fixing old ones (righly or wrongly, hard to say, but there's a logic to it:)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/167585067" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#167585067">(Jun 07 2019 at 15:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yea; I think the release team could also use some written down heuristics <span aria-label="+1" class="emoji emoji-1f44d" role="img" title="+1">:+1:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676247" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676247">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:21)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span> so I'll hijack this topic for comments on your edits to <a href="https://hackmd.io/dvgegmdgQVSMbC4rcjG6EA?view" target="_blank" title="https://hackmd.io/dvgegmdgQVSMbC4rcjG6EA?view">the maintenance/triage hackmd</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676257" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676257">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>first off, I really like the <code>P-daily</code> etc, although I think maybe we should call it <code>F-</code> ("frequency")</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676274" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676274">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>that makes sense</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676279" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676279">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>the issue of <code>I-nominated</code> (and, for that matter, the priority) tags not being sufficiently targeted <em>is</em> annoying, I'm not sure how much of a problem it is in practice, but at least maybe a <em>bit</em></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676327" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676327">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>(Also, <code>F-&lt;frequency&gt;</code> would allow us gradual migration from <code>P-priority</code> to <code>F-frequency</code>; rather than being in a state where some bugs use one semantics and others use another)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676389" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676389">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>Ah, yes, interesting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676394" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676394">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think the problem of non-targetted nomination is only an issue for a small subgroup, namely the triagers for each team.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676399" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676399">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>so while its super annoying for me</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676405" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676405">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>better that I alone be annoyed</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676429" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676429">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>than annoy our whole contributor community with an even larger slew of labels</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676484" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676484">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>the harder questions of course are kind of... what are we going to do about things that have to get fixed, and how are we going to do those visits</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676488" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676488">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>I am curious about what other teams do, actually</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676510" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676510">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm pondering your comments regarding "best use of time"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676512" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676512">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>I know of course that Centril does a fair amount of triage and paper doc construction to organize the T-lang nominations</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676538" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676538">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>Some part of me thinks "we need the whole hour, and trying to squeeze in wg checkins hasn't worked out that great" -- though I think the wg checkins <em>have</em> come up with good stuff</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676553" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676553">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think we're still learning how to even <em>do</em> the wg-checkins</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676557" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676557">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>the principle is really good</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676561" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676561">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yes, I agree</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676566" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676566">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>On both counts</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676570" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676570">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>One thing I've been wondering about that feels related</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676580" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676580">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I know I've failed to follow-through on ensuring that people are ready to do them</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676584" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676584">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>So there is the "meta" working group</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676632" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676632">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>in part because we haven't set up the schedule</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676633" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676633">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>We've been kind of getting .. not to the <em>end</em> of the work we had in mind, but sort of to the end :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676652" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676652">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>And I've been wondering whether it makes sense to have a "standing" working group that is dedicated to <em>meta</em> issues -- or <em>triage</em> issues, perhaps. Basically to "making things run"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676654" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676654">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>didn't <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span> have a PR to automatically construct a schedule for WG-checkin's ?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676668" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676668">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yes, they do, it's blocked on another PR that's been making good progress to overhaul the compiler-team repository</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676680" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676680">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>i see, okay.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676685" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676685">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>I probably should join WG-meta</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676686" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676686">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>What I'm getting at here is</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676687" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676687">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>or at least read what its doing more actively</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676705" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676705">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>Well I'm wondering whether it would make sense for triage to be done by a more focused group</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676752" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676752">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>But I think having that group be <em>you</em> is ungreat</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676758" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676758">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess the question is</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676782" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676782">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think the aim would be to look at the bugs at the given frequency and ensure that "progress is being made" -- and if not, to open up (I think) a dedicated Zulip topic and ping the assignees --</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676789" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676789">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>the hard part is going to be the bugs that aren't assigned, though</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676804" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676804">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>(I mention the dedicated topic because I think it's harder to process pings that come from a massive "pre-triage" topic, at least I find that to be the case)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676818" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676818">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>btw can y'all avoid <code>F-*</code>? the release team was thinking of using it for feature gates</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676829" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676829">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>How about <code>Frequency-Foo</code> :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676833" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676833">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>Freq</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676835" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676835">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>Or that</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676841" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676841">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:30)</a>:</h4>
<p><code>Hz-</code></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676895" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676895">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>Let your Freq flag fly</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676905" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676905">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>I kind of love <code>Hz</code></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676913" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676913">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>I won't veto <code>Hz</code></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676916" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676916">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>despite it's utter obscurity :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676946" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676946">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>struggling to work in a Car Rental joke...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676958" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676958">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>Re: finding assignees</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676962" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676962">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>One thing we've talked about but never done</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676967" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676967">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>is trying to make a group of "icebreakers"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676974" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676974">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>I feel like there's a power in making a named group of folks with a job :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676976" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676976">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>ah yeah</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168676981" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168676981">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>I've also talked about, but never <em>quite</em> gotten organized enough to do,</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168677020" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168677020">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>creating some kind of "help wanted" thread on internals</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168677027" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168677027">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>though I had two distinct things in mind for it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168677035" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168677035">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>i did at least start a <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/ICE.20triage/near/167183453" title="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/ICE.20triage/near/167183453">dedicated topic</a> at some point to go through the issues labelled ICE</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168677036" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168677036">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>the idea being to have a dedicated place that we post stuff</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168677043" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168677043">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>and then trying to draw attention to it, perhaps via a twitter account or other things</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168677054" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168677054">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah so I think ICE-breakers is a good idea, but maybe there are two visions for it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168677074" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168677074">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>what I was thinking is that it might be useful to have:</p>
<ul>
<li>triage working group</li>
<li>regression fixing working group</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168677110" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168677110">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>oh I just thought of something to add to the hackmd doc</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168677143" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168677143">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>The question of how to prioritize bugs in feature-gated code where the feature is on the "short list" of things to be stabilized soon</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168677191" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168677191">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>Definitely one of the challenges is always the feature-vs-maintenance struggle</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168677205" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168677205">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:34)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>The question of how to prioritize bugs in feature-gated code where the feature is on the "short list" of things to be stabilized soon</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Ah, yes, so -- more generally I think trying to write down our prioritization rules</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168677222" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168677222">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:34)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>we have some kind of "heuristics" we apply but I don't think we've ever written them down (similar to the one you mentioned, i.e., does it affect stable code, etc). Similarly, we seem to value preventing <em>new</em> regressions higher than fixing old ones (righly or wrongly, hard to say, but there's a logic to it:)</p>
</blockquote>
<p>i.e., this comment from before</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168677345" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168677345">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>Maybe I'll try to edit the hackmd, <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168677357" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168677357">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:36)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>Definitely one of the challenges is always the feature-vs-maintenance struggle</p>
</blockquote>
<p>More on this: e.g., I've been feeling a lot of pressure to try and get async-await going</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168677382" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168677382">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>Though I think maybe that's a bit artificial-ish.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168677395" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168677395">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>(On this topic, it feels like the compiler team should be more invested in that conversation)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168677406" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168677406">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>Or at least some part of it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168677516" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168677516">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>hmm</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168677532" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168677532">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>weird, I thought I had put something in the hackmd mentioned that we need to even just <em>document</em> the systems we are trying to do</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168677544" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168677544">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>hmm yes I think you did</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168677546" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168677546">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>but maybe I ended up not writing that down, or thought it was somehow part of the "automation" discussion</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168677600" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168677600">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>oh oh yes I did put it there</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168677623" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168677623">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah there's some notes, I guess I expected a separate heading somehow</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168677629" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168677629">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm thinking back to this idea of more dedicated groups</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168677644" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168677644">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>This is not the original intent of working groups, in that it's not "short term", but that's ok</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168677646" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168677646">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think the danger is that you can't create people from thin air</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168677653" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168677653">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>Or .. I expect people might show up, but to get <em>bugfixing</em> happening there is some need of expertise</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168677657" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168677657">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>(Sometimes)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168677660" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168677660">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>right, and acting like the existence of new structure will somehow magically make things smoother is ... questionble</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168677671" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168677671">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>Still I feel like there is a power to naming activities directly and giving them weight</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168678038" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168678038">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:47)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>right, and acting like the existence of new structure will somehow magically make things smoother is ... questionble</p>
</blockquote>
<p>so <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span> the obvious place to start though is with a <em>triage group</em></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168678054" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168678054">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>advantages:</p>
<ul>
<li>share the load</li>
<li>not the whole team </li>
<li>if you go on vacation (<em>ahem</em>) the wheels don't entirely stop turning</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168678063" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168678063">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:47)</a>:</h4>
<ul>
<li>doesn't require experience</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168678076" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168678076">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>well, experience is relevant, but does't require deep knowledge of the compiler, maybe? at least less :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168678200" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168678200">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>yes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168678212" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168678212">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>you are absolutely right; given that I'm going on leave for a month in mid-July</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168678228" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168678228">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>we probably should try to spin up a triage group, mmm, yesterday.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168678295" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168678295">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>confirm</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168678347" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168678347">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>the truth is that with both you + I heading for vacation this summer, we don't have much of a backup plan, do we ?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168678353" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168678353">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>/me sighs</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168678430" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168678430">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah, and I'm not sure what <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="123586">@nagisa</span> 's availability is going to be.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168678447" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168678447">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>I know <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="124288">@oli</span> will be unable to contribute as much time as in the past...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168678478" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> oli <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168678478">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>/me needs a cloning machine</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168678657" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168678657">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>/me sympathizes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168678733" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168678733">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>Discuss my availability <em>now</em>!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168678742" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168678742">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:57)</a>:</h4>
<p><em>advertisement jingle</em></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168678770" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168678770">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>I can run triage meetings over the summer, sure.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168678815" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168678815">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>oh, really?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168678831" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168678831">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm going to be in Greece July 15 -- August 9 I think? Not sure about <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span>, so we're realizing we should figure out a plan</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168678873" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168678873">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah, I’ve no plans to go on any sort of leave this summer so far.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168678875" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168678875">(Jun 21 2019 at 12:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm going to be on parental leave from July 13th through August 23rd</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168678892" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168678892">(Jun 21 2019 at 13:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>(or at least that's what I've told my wife)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168678961" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168678961">(Jun 21 2019 at 13:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>or wait, no, through the end of august</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168679041" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168679041">(Jun 21 2019 at 13:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>I definitely am able to drive the few meetings between July 15th and August 9th, we can decide how to split the load once Niko’s back.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168679090" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168679090">(Jun 21 2019 at 13:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168679103" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168679103">(Jun 21 2019 at 13:02)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="123586">@nagisa</span> would you be interested in being a member of a WG-triage?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168679125" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168679125">(Jun 21 2019 at 13:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>my intention is mostly that you could help onboard other people</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168679162" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168679162">(Jun 21 2019 at 13:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>Hmm… sure, I guess?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168679311" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168679311">(Jun 21 2019 at 13:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>btw, just to avoid naming conflicts, t-release is also creating a triage-wg <span aria-label="sweat smile" class="emoji emoji-1f605" role="img" title="sweat smile">:sweat_smile:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168679320" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168679320">(Jun 21 2019 at 13:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>hmm</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168679383" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168679383">(Jun 21 2019 at 13:06)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<p>Definitely one of the challenges is always the feature-vs-maintenance struggle</p>
</blockquote>
<p>More on this: e.g., I've been feeling a lot of pressure to try and get async-await going</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Sorry to backtrack a little to this message: </p>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span>, I was wondering by this if you meant  because of the time-pressure that's associated with async-await or something else?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168679384" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168679384">(Jun 21 2019 at 13:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>would there ... be any value ... in having that (t-release's triage WG, and t-compiler's triage WG) be a single WG?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168679397" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168679397">(Jun 21 2019 at 13:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>Consider consolidating them? I can’t imagine triage for T-release being too different from triage for T-compiler stuff.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168679482" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168679482">(Jun 21 2019 at 13:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>release team triage is PR triage (aka pinging people until they review) and issue triage (aka applying the initial labels)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168679547" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168679547">(Jun 21 2019 at 13:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>not sure how much that'll overlap with t-compiler triage</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168679553" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168679553">(Jun 21 2019 at 13:08)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116122">@simulacrum</span> ^^</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168679629" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168679629">(Jun 21 2019 at 13:09)</a>:</h4>
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<p>I was wondering by this if you meant  because of the time-pressure that's associated with async-await or something else?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Yes, partly -- I would really like to see us get async-await out in the world. But I think in general there's always a bias towards 'building new things'.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168679716" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168679716">(Jun 21 2019 at 13:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>I see, thanks for clarifying.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168679959" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168679959">(Jun 21 2019 at 13:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>I feel like since I've been around (which admittedly isn't too long and I'm not <em>that</em> involved), there's been a trend towards deadlines, pushing for things to get in releases, just more time pressure in general - there was obviously the edition, but also async/await's (to the best of my knowledge) arbitrary deadline. It contrasts with working on NLL which felt more when-it's-ready (though that could just be me looking back on it).</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168680014" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168680014">(Jun 21 2019 at 13:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>Though, I think that might be slightly off-topic, apologies.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168680055" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168680055">(Jun 21 2019 at 13:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think it's very much on topic</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168680094" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> oli <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168680094">(Jun 21 2019 at 13:15)</a>:</h4>
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<p>But I think in general there's always a bias towards 'building new things'.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Don't take this as a complaint: not getting const eval RFCs merged or tracking issues approved for stabilization actually helped me to clean up stuff instead.</p>
<p>I agree though that focussing on features comes much easier, though actually working on it isn't necessarily more fun than refactoring</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168680096" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168680096">(Jun 21 2019 at 13:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm not sure that trend is altogether good -- I've been revisiting it slightly. I think that it's a good idea for us to focus on <em>what do we need for an MVP</em></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168680182" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168680182">(Jun 21 2019 at 13:16)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="124288">@oli</span> are you disputing my statement about the bias towards new things? i.e., because it's been hard to get const eval RFCs merged etc?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168680205" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168680205">(Jun 21 2019 at 13:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>(I do think that's an issue too, it's very hard to keep up with review load, and I personally am never satisfied with how well I am able to do so)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168680240" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168680240">(Jun 21 2019 at 13:17)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>I'm not sure that trend is altogether good -- I've been revisiting it slightly. I think that it's a good idea for us to focus on <em>what do we need for an MVP</em></p>
</blockquote>
<p>to elaborate slightly, but maybe not to try too hard to set dates for that MVP. But some amount of pressure will always be there I guess, and you need it to actually ship.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168680258" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> oli <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168680258">(Jun 21 2019 at 13:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm not disputing that there's bias towards building new things, I just want to state that (for me) implementing new things isn't necessarily more fun than cleanups and fixes, but easier to focus on</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168680266" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168680266">(Jun 21 2019 at 13:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>I see</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168680335" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168680335">(Jun 21 2019 at 13:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yeah. I'm partly just commenting from myself. In theory, I want to spend time on docs + regressions. In practice, I often feel some pressure to do other things.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168680552" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> oli <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168680552">(Jun 21 2019 at 13:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>for me it's "regression fixes are merged fast" and everything else isn't, so I have like 7 trees of everything else and keep juggling that one tree for fixes (adding more trees doesn't help). I need to figure out how to look for fixes whenever a tree opens instead of reacting to pokes. Most pokes are "can I haz feature X".</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168680781" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168680781">(Jun 21 2019 at 13:24)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>Most pokes are "can I haz feature X".</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I've felt (purely from observing conversations here and in Discord) that there have been more comments like this - people checking in on what the status of feature X or Y is - in recent months. Which, while I'm sure are well-intentioned, I could see would put pressure on people to focus on those things.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168683846" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168683846">(Jun 21 2019 at 14:00)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span>  BTW, we should ensure we talk about/advertise/establish the hypothesized WG-triage, at least for T-compiler, prior to next week's design meeting.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168684018" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168684018">(Jun 21 2019 at 14:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yes. Not sure what the best "venue" is -- perhaps just doing a bit of a public call for a "first meeting"? We would want to have some idea what we are doing in tha tmeeting -- but a special meeting to review status of regressions might be good</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168684173" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168684173">(Jun 21 2019 at 14:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess a relevant Q is whether the hypothetical members of such a group would want to make sure they get a chance to participate in next week's design meeting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168684195" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168684195">(Jun 21 2019 at 14:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>since I imagine that design meeting will influence the scope/mission-statement for WG-triage</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168684593" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pachi <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168684593">(Jun 21 2019 at 14:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>wrt triage, GNOME has a Bugsquad group and its webpage on the wiki <a href="https://wiki.gnome.org/Bugsquad" target="_blank" title="https://wiki.gnome.org/Bugsquad">https://wiki.gnome.org/Bugsquad</a> may have interesting ideas, such as triaging guides, Bug days, and some other interesting ideas.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168685423" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168685423">(Jun 21 2019 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
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<p>since I imagine that design meeting will influence the scope/mission-statement for WG-triage</p>
</blockquote>
<p>right, there's  kind  of a cyclic relationship -- but I don't see that it hurts to "Take a stab" at defining the group first</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168685427" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168685427">(Jun 21 2019 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>wrt triage, GNOME has a Bugsquad group and its webpage on the wiki <a href="https://wiki.gnome.org/Bugsquad" target="_blank" title="https://wiki.gnome.org/Bugsquad">https://wiki.gnome.org/Bugsquad</a> may have interesting ideas, such as triaging guides, Bug days, and some other interesting ideas.</p>
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<p>interesting!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance/triage/near/168687084" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pachi <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/maintenance.2Ftriage.html#168687084">(Jun 21 2019 at 14:40)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> in fact, there are some interesting talks by Luis Villa (which IIRC started the Bugsquad) about bugmasters and triaging here: <a href="https://lu.is/talks/" target="_blank" title="https://lu.is/talks/">https://lu.is/talks/</a> <br>
- Why Everyone Needs A Bugmaster (talk, paper) (<a href="http://Linuxconf.au" target="_blank" title="http://Linuxconf.au">Linuxconf.au</a> 2005)<br>
- How GNOME Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The Bug (talk, paper) (Ottawa Linux Symposium 2003)<br>
- Bugzilla Sanity (GUADEC 2002)<br>
Glad it helps!</p>



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